From cinelerra-admin@skolelinux.no Thu May 8 10:18:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cinelerra@e.kevb.net Delivered-To: cinelerra@e.kevb.net Received: from init.linpro.no (init.linpro.no [87.238.46.2]) by e.kevb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 270EAED061C for ; Thu, 8 May 2008 10:18:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=init.linpro.no) by init.linpro.no with esmtp (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ju6uZ-000437-VJ; Thu, 08 May 2008 16:16:13 +0200 Received: from [193.69.32.11] (helo=virusvask.itsjefen.no) by init.linpro.no with esmtp (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ju6si-0003hW-Lv for ; Thu, 08 May 2008 16:14:15 +0200 Received: from [193.69.32.11] by 80.232.38.252 (e-nough); Thu, 8 May 14:59:56 2008 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by virusvask.itsjefen.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 976B28AC035 for ; Thu, 8 May 2008 16:12:32 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at virusvask01.itsjefen.no Received: from virusvask.itsjefen.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (virusvask01.itsjefen.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7zJCP90lEn21 for ; Thu, 8 May 2008 16:12:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dlana.elec.gla.ac.uk (mailhost.elec.gla.ac.uk [130.209.176.2]) by virusvask.itsjefen.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id D03978AC031 for ; Thu, 8 May 2008 16:12:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eeapp.elec.gla.ac.uk ([130.209.176.58]) by dlana.elec.gla.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ju6rC-0003jA-RL for cinelerra@skolelinux.no; Thu, 08 May 2008 15:12:26 +0100 Message-ID: <48230A4A.50804@elec.gla.ac.uk> From: Bernd Porr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cinelerra@skolelinux.no Subject: Re: [CinCV] Lumiera / gstreamer References: <481F6356.3050805@pipapo.org> <4822F743.3050206@elec.gla.ac.uk> <4822FE7F.8010102@ipf.uni-stuttgart.de> In-Reply-To: <4822FE7F.8010102@ipf.uni-stuttgart.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on spamtrap X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-10.2 required=5.0 tests=DSPAM=-10.19694 version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: X-DSPAM-Signature: !DSPAM:4823076363542715614235! X-DSPAM-Probability: -2.0000 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9997 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Sender: cinelerra-admin@skolelinux.no Errors-To: cinelerra-admin@skolelinux.no X-BeenThere: cinelerra@skolelinux.no X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cinelerra@skolelinux.no List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Mailinglist for Cinelerra, the community version List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 15:12:26 +0100 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) > And film makers don't program under Linux ;) good point. Let's draw a Venn diagram! Here are the skills of arts graduates and here are the skills from engineers. > >> Consequence: Linux NLEs are not usable for any serious project (which >> involves actors, story, etc). > > Might be true, yes. I'm still confident that this will change. In the audio world there's audacity which is now widely being used (even by the BBC). I've got the problem that I'm starting here a collaboration with the film/TV people where we actually want to produce a short film. With Linux people who usually don't do filming and arts people who don't know where's the lens of a camera. ;-) In preparation of that I've tried so far all different kinds of programs and I'm getting more and more frustrated because none of the programs can cope with HDV and they all crash during the simplest tasks (e.g. loading two HDV clips in the timeline and do a crossover). In contrast they can rotate an image by 73.3 degrees and do a croma key on the edge detected motion field. ;-) I'm also looking into that because I would like to have the students work on one of the video editors and improve it. I had some hopes with Cinerella but it's just too slow to begin with (and loads of bugs and and and). The only program which somehow impressed me was kdenlive so far (0.4). It's fast and it does simple things reliably. /Bernd > > Burkhard > > _______________________________________________ > Cinelerra mailing list > Cinelerra@skolelinux.no > https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra -- www: http://www.berndporr.me.uk/ http://www.linux-usb-daq.co.uk/ Mobile: +44 (0)7840 340069 Work: +44 (0)141 330 5237 University of Glasgow Department of Electronics & Electrical Engineering Room 519, Rankine Building, Oakfield Avenue, Glasgow, G12 8LT _______________________________________________ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra